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What Are Meaty Attacks?

September 29th, 2009 Leave a comment Go to comments

When any attack connects, it puts the opponent into hit stun for a certain number of frames. Whether or not you can combo after that attack depends on how much sooner your character recovers compared to the opponent. Some attacks have a lot of frame advantage built in, such as Ryu’s c.MP. In most games that punch animation ends four or five frames before the opponent’s hit stun finishes, so linking c.MK for a two-hit combo is simple.

On the other hand, Ryu’s c.HP usually has significant frame disadvantage. Even though it causes more hit stun (due to being a fierce) than c.MP does, it also has way more recovery time. However, Ryu’s c.HP is active for an extremely long period of time – from the beginning of the attack until just before he starts pulling his fist down. When his fist connects on the first active frame, the remaining active frames essentially become recovery frames.

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If you can find a way to get that c.HP to connect later than its first active frame, it would give you (roughly) the same amount of hit stun but with less recovery time. This is what’s known as performing a “meaty” attack. It has nothing to do with distance. It’s all about timing. The more initial active frames you can avoid, the meatier the attack becomes. When you make it connect on its last active frame, you’ve found the meatiest possible timing.

The most basic meaty setup is knocking down an opponent and attacking as they rise. Since they’re fully invincible during wakeup, you can start your attack early and bypass a bunch of active frames while the opponent tries to stand up. In fact, SFA2 Ryu can link c.HK after a meaty c.HP using this method.

Creating additional frame advantage has many benefits, even outside of combos. You can use it to limit your opponent’s options as you move in for a throw/c.LK mixup or other mindgames. Furthermore, meaty attacks can only be countered by a perfectly timed reversal. Since the attack overlaps the end of the opponent’s invincibility peroid and the beginning of their vulnerable period, his only options are to block or perform a reversal. If he fails to execute a reversal, he gets hit by a scary combo starter.

If you’ve watched enough combo videos, you’ve probably seen a whole slew of unorthodox meaty setups. Next week i’ll go into detail about some of the more inventive ones. Here’s a little challenge for you guys in preparation for that:

Post a meaty setup that hasn’t been mentioned already in this post or in comments before yours. The important thing is the uniqueness of the setup, so the specific moves you list don’t matter.

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  1. Kareeeeem
    October 2nd, 2009 at 07:19 | #1

    I like doing crossup hops with Blanka in ST. Sometimes after tagging someone clean air2air or after a corner bite into crossup whiffed fierce ball, I do meaty st.mp xx hop, gives me a little more advantage after the hop than after a normal st.mp, coupled with it being difficult to react to sometimes.

    TBH though I don’t think ST blanka has any real meaty setups that lead to things you couldn’t do normaly.

  2. October 2nd, 2009 at 12:06 | #2

    Dude i’m glad you brought that up because it’s a huge misconception. When an attack connects, both characters get stuck in impact freeze for a set number of frames. The way cancels work is you input the special move command during that period, and then your character goes directly into the special move animation as soon as impact freeze ends. (There’s basically no way to cancel out or shorten that impact freeze period.)

    So meaty attacks have no effect on frame advantage for canceled moves. The attack still causes the same amount of hit stun and your recovery is the exact same because it’s basically zero. Or rather, it’s the recovery time of the move you canceled into. Does that make sense?

    As for ST Blanka, i see a lot of people doing meaty c.MK after a corner knockdown. You don’t need it to combo afterwards, but it makes it easier. Also max range DF+HP slide is a meaty setup all on its own.

  3. Kareeeeem
    October 2nd, 2009 at 16:05 | #3

    Ah, I didn´t know that.

    And yea I like doing meaty cr.mk as well, can lead to cr.mk x2 xx ball for good dmg and stun, or just cr.mk into bite.

    I wonder if top blankas actually hitconfirm the first cr.mk to go into the combo or a mixup.

    Now that I think of it Blanka can combo with a st.mp into whatever after a meaty super. I´ve never done it though.

  4. Remxi
    October 2nd, 2009 at 18:53 | #4

    Another meaty setup would be having the opponent jump into the active frames of an attack e.g. ST Dictator opponent jumps onto his active c.mk, c.mk xx Pyscho Crusher. In games with roll, dodge or lineshift you can set up similar meaty situations. I guess anything that makes the opponent character invincible for a period of time could be used.

    I don’t know if it counts as a setup but characters with slow fireballs can use them as meaties e.g. Guile, even characters with faster fireballs as long as they can get ahead of them e.g. Rose LP Soul Spark FADC.

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